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	<title>Comments on: Let Your Voice Be Heard at the #VBAC NIH Consensus Development Conference</title>
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		<title>By: Nancy thompson, Icce</title>
		<link>http://www.scienceandsensibility.org/?p=908&#038;cpage=1#comment-2030</link>
		<dc:creator>Nancy thompson, Icce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 03:08:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How do I attend the web seminar?  Thanks,  Nancy Thompson</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do I attend the web seminar?  Thanks,  Nancy Thompson</p>
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		<title>By: Labor Nurse, CNM</title>
		<link>http://www.scienceandsensibility.org/?p=908&#038;cpage=1#comment-1963</link>
		<dc:creator>Labor Nurse, CNM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 20:44:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amy, thanks for pointing that out.  &quot;Maternal request&quot; is interesting, in my opinion- such as the &quot;elective repeat&quot; cesarean.  As we know, many &quot;elective repeats&quot; aren&#039;t truly elective on the woman&#039;s part...and &quot;maternal request&quot;, in my opinion, seems to be a way to make everything &quot;ok&quot; with not doing VBAC if the woman is &quot;requesting&quot; a c-section.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amy, thanks for pointing that out.  &#8220;Maternal request&#8221; is interesting, in my opinion- such as the &#8220;elective repeat&#8221; cesarean.  As we know, many &#8220;elective repeats&#8221; aren&#8217;t truly elective on the woman&#8217;s part&#8230;and &#8220;maternal request&#8221;, in my opinion, seems to be a way to make everything &#8220;ok&#8221; with not doing VBAC if the woman is &#8220;requesting&#8221; a c-section.</p>
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		<title>By: Amy Romano</title>
		<link>http://www.scienceandsensibility.org/?p=908&#038;cpage=1#comment-1926</link>
		<dc:creator>Amy Romano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 04:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1914&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Labor Nurse, CNM&lt;/a&gt; 
I certainly don&#039;t want to sound pessimistic.  In fact, I&#039;m quite optimistic that this meeting will be part of a pendulum shift back toward ensuring safe VBAC access. But I also recognize that meetings like this often undervalue or ignore the consumer voice and fail to incorporate all of the relevant evidence.  After the Maternal-Request Cesarean Delivery meeting at the NIH, Childbirth Connection &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.childbirthconnection.org/article.asp?ck=10375&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;issued a response&lt;/a&gt; that raised many methodological issues and highlighted irregularities and apparent biases in the process.  They wrote:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Why were good science and best interests of mothers and babies thwarted in the evidence report and conference process? Major resources were allocated to address the priority question of the safety of increasing casual and fully elective use of cesarean section in comparison with planned vaginal birth. Women, providers, policy makers and others would all benefit from high-quality guidance from the federal government on these matters. Unfortunately, the process and products are instead contributing to confusion and controversy.

The inside story of what happened remains to be told. Here are some important questions:

    * Why was the focus exclusively on mothers&#039; demand for cesarean while failing to address provider and other health system pressures, such as liability fears and convenient scheduling and staffing?
    * Why was the &quot;maternal request&quot; frame retained in the face of no evidence report data whatsoever about incidence or trends in the U.S. and about effects in any context?
    * Why did the final panel statement fail to reference actual data on &quot;cesarean delivery on maternal request&quot; as defined by NIH, available from Listening to Mothers, a national U.S. survey of women who gave birth in 2005, which was conducted by the leading survey research firm Harris Interactive and was reported in two presentations at the NIH conference, while the panel statement provided much detail about other evidence described as &quot;proxy,&quot; &quot;weak,&quot; and of &quot;little confidence&quot;?
    * Why were biases in the entire process consistently in the direction of favoring cesarean delivery and discrediting vaginal birth, beginning with focused searching for just a few of the possible outcomes?
    * Why did responses to the third key question fail to identify any of the many well-established effect modifiers that promote safe, spontaneous vaginal birth and favorably alter the risk profile for mothers and babies in the present pregnancy and over the long term?
    * In planning, carrying out and reporting on the evidence report and conference, why were such valuable and important perspectives as family medicine, midwifery, nursing and consumer advocacy entirely excluded or given extremely marginal roles?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I think we have to be proactive to make sure the same mistakes aren&#039;t made this time around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1914" rel="nofollow">@Labor Nurse, CNM</a><br />
I certainly don&#8217;t want to sound pessimistic.  In fact, I&#8217;m quite optimistic that this meeting will be part of a pendulum shift back toward ensuring safe VBAC access. But I also recognize that meetings like this often undervalue or ignore the consumer voice and fail to incorporate all of the relevant evidence.  After the Maternal-Request Cesarean Delivery meeting at the NIH, Childbirth Connection <a href="http://www.childbirthconnection.org/article.asp?ck=10375" rel="nofollow">issued a response</a> that raised many methodological issues and highlighted irregularities and apparent biases in the process.  They wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>Why were good science and best interests of mothers and babies thwarted in the evidence report and conference process? Major resources were allocated to address the priority question of the safety of increasing casual and fully elective use of cesarean section in comparison with planned vaginal birth. Women, providers, policy makers and others would all benefit from high-quality guidance from the federal government on these matters. Unfortunately, the process and products are instead contributing to confusion and controversy.</p>
<p>The inside story of what happened remains to be told. Here are some important questions:</p>
<p>    * Why was the focus exclusively on mothers&#8217; demand for cesarean while failing to address provider and other health system pressures, such as liability fears and convenient scheduling and staffing?<br />
    * Why was the &#8220;maternal request&#8221; frame retained in the face of no evidence report data whatsoever about incidence or trends in the U.S. and about effects in any context?<br />
    * Why did the final panel statement fail to reference actual data on &#8220;cesarean delivery on maternal request&#8221; as defined by NIH, available from Listening to Mothers, a national U.S. survey of women who gave birth in 2005, which was conducted by the leading survey research firm Harris Interactive and was reported in two presentations at the NIH conference, while the panel statement provided much detail about other evidence described as &#8220;proxy,&#8221; &#8220;weak,&#8221; and of &#8220;little confidence&#8221;?<br />
    * Why were biases in the entire process consistently in the direction of favoring cesarean delivery and discrediting vaginal birth, beginning with focused searching for just a few of the possible outcomes?<br />
    * Why did responses to the third key question fail to identify any of the many well-established effect modifiers that promote safe, spontaneous vaginal birth and favorably alter the risk profile for mothers and babies in the present pregnancy and over the long term?<br />
    * In planning, carrying out and reporting on the evidence report and conference, why were such valuable and important perspectives as family medicine, midwifery, nursing and consumer advocacy entirely excluded or given extremely marginal roles?</p></blockquote>
<p>I think we have to be proactive to make sure the same mistakes aren&#8217;t made this time around.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Fogelson</title>
		<link>http://www.scienceandsensibility.org/?p=908&#038;cpage=1#comment-1922</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicholas Fogelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 03:20:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the post and the information it brings.   I didn&#039;t get that flyer but might be interested in going or doing the webcast.   I&#039;ll check out the link.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the post and the information it brings.   I didn&#8217;t get that flyer but might be interested in going or doing the webcast.   I&#8217;ll check out the link.</p>
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		<title>By: NIH Conference on VBAC; Sign up For Free Online Webcast of the Event &#171; Women&#8217;s Health News</title>
		<link>http://www.scienceandsensibility.org/?p=908&#038;cpage=1#comment-1916</link>
		<dc:creator>NIH Conference on VBAC; Sign up For Free Online Webcast of the Event &#171; Women&#8217;s Health News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 01:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] [hat tip to Amy Romano at Science &amp; Sensibility] [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Labor Nurse, CNM</title>
		<link>http://www.scienceandsensibility.org/?p=908&#038;cpage=1#comment-1914</link>
		<dc:creator>Labor Nurse, CNM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 00:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope I am not the only one reading positive vibes from that mailing.  The fact that their general info flyer includes the point that non-medical factors may be influencing VBAC decisions makes me very hopeful that a positive and balanced statement will come from this meeting (and I&#039;d like to just strike out that word, as we all know these non-medical factors do influence these decisions).  I wish I could go, and look forward to their statement post-meeting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope I am not the only one reading positive vibes from that mailing.  The fact that their general info flyer includes the point that non-medical factors may be influencing VBAC decisions makes me very hopeful that a positive and balanced statement will come from this meeting (and I&#8217;d like to just strike out that word, as we all know these non-medical factors do influence these decisions).  I wish I could go, and look forward to their statement post-meeting.</p>
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		<title>By: TheFeministBreeder</title>
		<link>http://www.scienceandsensibility.org/?p=908&#038;cpage=1#comment-1847</link>
		<dc:creator>TheFeministBreeder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 19:52:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just registered - I&#039;m totally going.  Haven&#039;t broken the news to the husband yet though!  I just wrote an entire proposal for my Truman scholarship directed at Kathleen Sebelius, specifically on this topic (http://thefeministbreeder.com/the-case-for-reducing-the-cesarean-rate/) - so I&#039;m DYING to see what is said about it here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just registered &#8211; I&#8217;m totally going.  Haven&#8217;t broken the news to the husband yet though!  I just wrote an entire proposal for my Truman scholarship directed at Kathleen Sebelius, specifically on this topic (<a href="http://thefeministbreeder.com/the-case-for-reducing-the-cesarean-rate/" rel="nofollow">http://thefeministbreeder.com/the-case-for-reducing-the-cesarean-rate/</a>) &#8211; so I&#8217;m DYING to see what is said about it here.</p>
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		<title>By: Amy Romano</title>
		<link>http://www.scienceandsensibility.org/?p=908&#038;cpage=1#comment-1841</link>
		<dc:creator>Amy Romano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 17:56:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your thoughts.  I hope to go to the meeting. If not, I will definitely attend the webcast.  I&#039;ll certainly let you know if I do plan to attend.  

As for the non-safety factors, key question #5 is &quot;What are the nonmedical factors that influence the patterns and utilization of trial of labor after prior cesarean?&quot;  I&#039;ll be covering it here shortly and certainly hope you&#039;ll chime in. I think we&#039;re going to find lots of answers to that question among readers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your thoughts.  I hope to go to the meeting. If not, I will definitely attend the webcast.  I&#8217;ll certainly let you know if I do plan to attend.  </p>
<p>As for the non-safety factors, key question #5 is &#8220;What are the nonmedical factors that influence the patterns and utilization of trial of labor after prior cesarean?&#8221;  I&#8217;ll be covering it here shortly and certainly hope you&#8217;ll chime in. I think we&#8217;re going to find lots of answers to that question among readers.</p>
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		<title>By: Chukwuma Onyeije</title>
		<link>http://www.scienceandsensibility.org/?p=908&#038;cpage=1#comment-1839</link>
		<dc:creator>Chukwuma Onyeije</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 17:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amy,  Thank you for highlighting the spectrum of information that should be covered at this conference in order to come up with the evidence based policy directives in this important area.  I am planning on attending the conference and would really like to meet you there if you plan to attend...

The image above is one that I use in virtually all of my lectures on VBAC.  It clearly shows that the CS rate rises (significantly) as VBAC rates decline.  Given the epidemiological trends in rates of VBAC, CS rates and trials of labor, it would be interesting to see if there is (as I suspect) correlating data in rising maternal complications with rising cesarean deliveries.  The data is clear that for an individual patient there are significant risks with each subsequent CS delivery (placenta previa, placenta accreta, etc); however I would be interested to see if we now have epidemiological (population based) increases in adverse maternal outcomes in the last 10 years.  

As we have previously discussed here and elsewhere, the refusal to offer the option of a VBAC is problematic from an obstetric, ethical, and business perspective.  If you say that a procedure has a 97% chance of NOT being complicated and then offer that same procedure 0% of the time; I don&#039;t think that it can be justified as a medically sound judgment.

Perhaps there should also be further discussion regarding the factors that influence avoidance of VBAC besides safety (which I don&#039;t think is justifiable as I&#039;ve outlined above).  

Experience of physicians, financial incentives, fear of malpractice and misconceptions about the procedure need to be addressed in order to turn the tide toward options that benefit patients.

Thanks again for facilitating the conversation...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amy,  Thank you for highlighting the spectrum of information that should be covered at this conference in order to come up with the evidence based policy directives in this important area.  I am planning on attending the conference and would really like to meet you there if you plan to attend&#8230;</p>
<p>The image above is one that I use in virtually all of my lectures on VBAC.  It clearly shows that the CS rate rises (significantly) as VBAC rates decline.  Given the epidemiological trends in rates of VBAC, CS rates and trials of labor, it would be interesting to see if there is (as I suspect) correlating data in rising maternal complications with rising cesarean deliveries.  The data is clear that for an individual patient there are significant risks with each subsequent CS delivery (placenta previa, placenta accreta, etc); however I would be interested to see if we now have epidemiological (population based) increases in adverse maternal outcomes in the last 10 years.  </p>
<p>As we have previously discussed here and elsewhere, the refusal to offer the option of a VBAC is problematic from an obstetric, ethical, and business perspective.  If you say that a procedure has a 97% chance of NOT being complicated and then offer that same procedure 0% of the time; I don&#8217;t think that it can be justified as a medically sound judgment.</p>
<p>Perhaps there should also be further discussion regarding the factors that influence avoidance of VBAC besides safety (which I don&#8217;t think is justifiable as I&#8217;ve outlined above).  </p>
<p>Experience of physicians, financial incentives, fear of malpractice and misconceptions about the procedure need to be addressed in order to turn the tide toward options that benefit patients.</p>
<p>Thanks again for facilitating the conversation&#8230;</p>
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